On the occasion of the exhibition ‘Paul McCarthy: A&E Sessions – Drawing and Painting with Lilith Stangenberg’ at Hauser & Wirth New York, 22nd Street, McCarthy and the German actor Lilith Stangenberg, who have collaborated for more than five years on performance, film, and drawing, recently met by Zoom to talk about working together and about plans at pandemic’s end to pick up where they left off. The transcript is one version of their conversation, edited by both as an exercise in articulating work that pushes at the boundaries of language.
‘It was very interesting to make a film about someone who has power and someone who doesn’t have power and how this dynamic changes all the time. For me, it’s like German history. Fascism seems like it was only a second ago, if you think in bigger time dimensions. It’s still so close.’—Lilith Stangenberg